Our individualistic society exacerbates the problem, we put the individual at the center of everything, a rather narcissistic outlook that, for people suffering from depression, further isolates them while making them think that they have the right as individuals to do whatever they want with their bodies. The problem is seeing ourselves as apart from, not a part of, the larger community, the world, the cosmos. I recently heard a great line by Viktor Frankl who recounted trying to help two prisoners in the death camps who had lost all hope and were considering taking their own lives. He was trying to help them discover some meaning, some purpose. In the context of this article what he was also doing was helping them, during a very difficult time where the narcissistic attitude made a lot of sense, to move beyond that narcissism in order to take on a broader perspective of life that included the needs of family members waiting for them to come home and projects waiting for them to complete. Related posts: Narcissists Love Themselves Too Little Most people view narcissists as confident, preening, self-centered jerks who like being the center of attention.
While ending the relationship is the best game plan with a narcissist, Weiler advises on avoiding negotiation and arguments. The thing that drives a narcissist crazy is the lack of control and the lack of a fight. This inability to apologize could reveal itself in situations where your partner is obviously at fault, like:.
As soon as you back away, a narcissist will try that much harder to keep you in their lives. And because of this, many narcissists find themselves in on-again, off-again romantic relationships until they find someone else to date.
The result? They might bad-mouth you to save face. Or they might start immediately dating someone else to make you feel jealous and help heal their ego.
Offer them no explanation.
Offer no second chance. None of these signs point to a healthy relationship, NPD or not.
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But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals; and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass.
Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself.
You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy. Disclaimer: Unable to establish original source of photo. If this is your photo, please do make contact, so that it can be referenced properly. I love this. Lots of hugs, Pgirl.
You are truly an inspiration. Many times I thought to kill myself but then I realized it would not make a difference to the sociopath. The sociopath never loved me, why would they care if I will kill myself. I am sure the sociopath wants me dead, as the soc keep telling me how sad it would be if I god insane or kill myself. My life is too precious to waste on a waste like the sociopath.
I was just thinking that there are some of us who might volunteer to act as support to victims in our part of the world. I would be happy if my email address be given to Malaysian victims of sociopaths. Thank you oneredflower. What a great idea!! I am on my phone at the moment, I will ate your number later. Thank you. Another thought: it took me a while to find this site more thana month after the sociopath turned my life upside down.
I just wondered what could make this site more immediately accessible. Some ppl myself included would not think in terms of sociopathy and so miss the wonderful resource PG has provided.
Very nice - PGirl, I know I too have been on the brink of despair, a time or two, crying in the shower sometimes daily and the grace of God is what gets me through. I had such a dysfunctional relationship from the get go for many reasons, basically had no self worth whatsoever.
Thank you for sharing PR. It is really appreciated. I found that a really difficult post to write.
So I had to re-write it today. I think when you come the other side, it makes the other side seem so much more beautiful. I have known of people who committed suicide and the devastation that is left behind when it happens.
A memory that people carry with them for a long time. I do believe that in spirit you have to watch those hurt people, and not be able to do much to relieve their pain - which makes it just worse.
I think that a lot of people that say about suicide, do not really want to die. They just want hope, and belief that the pain will go away, and that life will get better. Maybe they have had a bad life, all of their life, and they cannot take one more bad thing happening to them.
You might have just quit before the beautiful part was about to happen - 6 months down the line. You cant change your mind and come back.
Even in my darkest moments over the years that followed, I never once considered ending my life, rather it gave me a determination to go on no matter what. You are so beautiful. You know when I was studying for a counselling qualification. We were told the biggest tool on the course would be oourselves and our ability to share of ourselves.
Thank you for sharing you. I noticed on that course lots of people struggled to do it. We have excess sunshine to give anyway so might as well.
Thank you for sharing you and all the warmth you bring to this site. Just one thought I read of many survivors whose soc has insinuated suicide as an option to them. By my reaction, he knew he had committed a faux pas by randomly throwing this word into an otherwise benign conversation not one of his most subtle moments. Was speechless for moment, then asked why he would say something like that in the context of our conversation.
He backpeddled. Thank you Jusagurl. I had written that post so badly it was 4am - i was really tired, and had to edit it today. You are right, they make you feel absolutely worthless. Like you have had everything taken from you, that you are not worth living. This is so not true - it is just a reflection of their abuse.
Some people think that in desperation they can do a suicide attempt without actually wanting to die. The outcome can be.
Nothing and nobody is worth that. Life, is beautiful and life is priceless. Just that sometimes, in the shadow of the dark, and at the point of despair, sometimes you cannot see this. But I do empathise with all who are suicidal post-soc, because being in the hopeless, powerless pit of worthlessness does tend to wipe out the light for a while. Just remember you have your unique role to play here, and that your life impacts more people than you know about. Thank God I have have finally woken up now.
Can you get any kind of nurturing warmth from an empty freezer? This site is about sociopathy, not narcissism lifescholar. Your kindness, caring and honesty is truly admirable. God bless you! I believe good things are in store for those who have suffered.
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Thank you Pgirl. You a a blessing. Amen, We are the beloved, sons and daughters of the King of Kings! Amazing grace comes to mind-life is worth living, we never really know how we effect others - we must love ourselves and God first and foremost- everything else finds proper order.
Makes us value ourselves in our truest identity as children of God. He will never orphan us! We are never alone-and we are loved! Just read this, had the worst Thanksgiving of my life missing my ex so very much first time in 8 years without him, cried all weekend, trying to make sense of why to even go on because the hurt is so unbearable.
At work my eyes are a puffy mess. I am so sad and it is NOT going away. I am so sorry that this post was so badly written. This is a transition T, you know sometimes you have to have the rain and the darkness to really appreciate the sunshine when it comes. Believe me, it WILL come. It really will. I am sorry that you had a horrible thanksgiving. But, if this means that next year - is a different experience, as you look back on the last year, and think wow I have came so far.
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I am so glad that I am no longer there. I also learned another thing, during those few years. This was that, it actually takes a lot of bravery to take your life. As it really is a giant leap into the unknown. A bigger leap into the unknown than it is to stay. He is not worth that. I know how I felt when someone said that to me. But the truth is, that it actually IS. When it first happens, it is a grief, a bereavement. Your whole world is how you are feeling. As you allow new things into your life, the grief will get smaller.
Threatening suicide in order to get you to obey is emotional abuse, plain and simple. Express your concern for their well-being, but don't give in to their demands. Call , especially if you receive a text or email where the narcissist is threatening suicide or has sent an incriminating photo, such as holding a gun to their head. Narcissists don't commit suicide, unless left on a dessert island alone for years. They couldn't survive that. They need people to feed off and to play their games. They may tell somebody they are going to commit suicide, if seriously lacking any attention, cut off from supply and in need of sympathy. For a classic narcissist, emotional vulnerability is akin to weakness, meaning that they suppress it in themselves and make their partners feel needy for not doing the same. 6 Yet, dating a narcissist shows you that this sort of thinking is a roadblock for relationship progression: if you can't be vulnerable with someone (and accept their.
And you will grow bigger. Give yourself time, and treat yourself, like your own best friend. This is a very good point. Our feelings sometimes seem so all-consuming.
They are not. We can actually choose to intellectualize things. As Positiva points out, they can change on a dime and you will have missed the best part of your life. The most important thing to remember about feelings is that they are not here to stay they are here to pass.
At least for a time, some support should help lift you out of this state. I also started going to 12 step ASAP as finding a counselor that is good fit may take some time. None of this could the soc ever give me-only counterfeit- I hated how I felt, and it tapped right into the little girl in me. I prayed my arse off immediately and regularly, I begged God to help me and had a few friends that lived out of state via tele I talked to them they were safe as they never got tainted, charmed or exhausted by soc.
I had been sharing with them my joys, confusion and troubles during stages of relationship. This wound up being a Godsend. She sent me online meeting list to phone and I drove to nearest one. Peace be with you under Protection of St Michael the Archangel! I am seeing a counselor and just got Paxil for depression, has not kicked in yet I guess. We are there for you t. Hang in there.
You are not alone!! When did you start seeing the counsellor? Manage and watch your words, for they will become your actions. Consider and judge your actions, for they have become your habits. Acknowledge and watch your habits, for they shall become your values. Understand and embrace your values, for they become your destiny. Please know that there is no shame in seeking help and taking medication to help you sort things out.
The fact that this is having such an impact on you just proves that you are sensitive, and that this loser completely targeted you because you are a wonderful, loving soul. It will get better, you have to give yourself a chance. I keep waiting 5 more minutes alsoand PS,what you said,we really do not want to die,we just want hope and faith.
Is so true. I am so tired. Sooo tired. When you lose hope,you have nothing leftand I have lost hope. There is a place in Sydney where many people commit suicide called The Gap.
Particularly those that have reached the lowest point and are having these thoughts. In summary: When this woman jumped off the cliff to land on the jagged rocks below, just as she jumped a freak super wave came and instead of hitting the rocks she landed in the deep water of the huge freak wave. Two fishermen pulled her out of the water alive. This is an amazing story of a woman who thought she had lost it all, went to take her own life, survived and went on to live an amazing life.
She died recently at the ripe old age of 90 years old, peacefully with her many children and grand children around her after living a very fulfilling life. As Pos says, death is so final. There is no turning back. This woman is proof of how life can change. She was in the depths of despair and did not want to go on. Yet she survived and lived a beautifully fulfilling life albeit hard at times - as life is. I am talking,if looks could killHis oldest son got to e. He was unconscience for3 days.
When he came out of ithe was on the phone with his mother,screaming she needed to give him a thousand dollars.
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To this day,I will never forget the trauma of that day,and still wonder,if somehowI did drive him to try and commit suicideyour thoughts? That is just an amazing story, God Bless her.
Life is not supposed to be this miserable, I used to think mind over matter I do not believe that anymore. We go to lunch I break down, I go to the grocery store I break down, I am just a weak weak weak person. Never realized that til now. Your not weak t your emotions have been played with.
When you emerge the other side you will be stronger than you ever were before. See a health professional to help work through your feelings.
Yes, you are weak, but in a good way. Just as positivagirl stated, your feelings have been played with by a monster. Positivagirl said somewhere else that when we are weak, it gives us a chance to start over with a clean slate and it ends up giving us new insight, a new beginning so-to-speak.
It really does make us stronger. I do agree that some therapy can help you and may help you to see things from a different perspective. When you mentioned that you broke down all of the time, you sound so much like I did when my sister died from cancer in The tears came day and night, at home and work. I literally thought I was going to lose my mind because we were so very close.
I had other sisters but she seemed so much like a soul mate to me. The loss of such a close relationship can be devastating as all of us here knows, and what you went through was very similar to that great loss. I was with someone for 26 excruciating years too weak to leave and I even thought about taking my own life. Just let them happen - cry, throw things, scream if you have to. You need to get that frustration and hurt to start coming out so you can begin the healing part of this journey.
Had I took my life, I would have never known just how special I really am. And so are you. Please know that you are not a weak person. You are a person that has just had your heart and soul ripped out and stomped on. You are a sensitive, emotional empathetic person, this in some ways makes you a much more capable, caring, strong, wonderful woman, who is there for her friends and family and strangers when they need it.
The person that people turn to because of her massive heart. Unfortunately it also has its Achilles heel, which is when someone abuses it, and cuts it out, it digs deep - we then feel the pain more than most.
All my family and friends think that i am one of the strongest people they know. I have been through so much in my life and I deal with most things in a way that puts them in awe. However, when it comes to dealing with my ex they are all stumped. Dealing with a normal break up for me and i am sure you is hard because of our massive hearts. But breaking up with a sociopath is times worse. You were with him for 8 years.
Nothing makes sense. How could this be the man that you just spent the last 8 years with you ask? It can not be true you scream! He is f-ing with your mind. He is carving up your heart and he is spitting on your soul.
But it is impossible to get your head around it because you loved him so much, because you could never do this to another human let alone someone you just spent 8 years with, because you have empathy and could not yet comprehend what it is to be without it and because all those beautiful dreams he painted were all a lie. We would be devastated with a normal one with this, it is Overwhelming.
All you did wrong was love the wrong man. He did the rest. I cried every hour of everyday for at least 2 months. You do sound like me though when I was overwhelmed, but was beating myself up because i was being so weak.
My councilor helped me so much. She taught me to just sit with the feelings. That by sitting with them and accepting them we slowly process them and they get less with time. At first for me this was so hard to do. The emotions were overwhelming and so painful but gradually this got easier and not as painful and rather than running from them i have been dealing with them.
When my family would get angry at me, I would simply say that i was dealing with it in my own way and that it would take as long as it takes.
My point and sorry for waffeling on i do that :-Is that you are not weak, that you are human, that what you are feeling is normal for the situation that you have been in and the type of caring loving person you are.
That you are going to get through this but that it will take as long as it takes. Accept that this where you are in this moment and that you are a good person and you will get over this - in your own time- Be nice to you.
Trust me, when you come out the other end, you will be much wiser, much more understanding, and much more able to give because you will have learnt to give to yourself as well. Peace xxxxx. Your SP was a cancer in your life and of course it is going to take time before you start to feel ok again. It is true that not all friends can handle what is going on, even the truest friends will find seeing you in pain hard to bear especially those of us who find us going back again and again, no friend can handle that.
Try to forgive them for it, we really need our friends. A really good therapist can help a lot and then you can focus on enjoying your friends and being there for them too. Like you I feel completely, utterly miserable. I cannot seem to get through even the most mundane tasks without breaking downdriving down the street, grocery shopping, even pulling into my own driveway makes me sad. I am NOT ok.
To complicate things, I have three young children who are feeling the loss of my ex, as well as the loss of their mother. If I could push the magic button to make it all go away I would. I am suffering. My kids are struggling, and I feel like there is no end in sight. I am so sorry to read the pain that you are suffering. You know, that he is not the salvation or answer to your prayers.
He is in fact the problem, not the solution. Sending you a hug!! It is true, what we learn from going through our own personal hell can lend strength and wisdom to others down the road.
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If we can survive, so can they. So it is so very important that we never, ever, give up. The 12 steps is a recovery support group.
Pace, EL. I am posting on here as somehow everyone on my Facebook could read my posts there. He says he loves me, says he is sorry I am not sure what he is after but made it clear he wants contact. But my parents and his have been in touch to try and stop this behaviour. But last night circumstances allowed for me to bump into him and we spoke. I played the upper hand and told him outright he has a cheek and made him write a status on Facebook saying he will be a better person from now on.
I also played that yes he can see me if he does a few things for me and the main one is messaging chosen people to tell them he lied about me and is truly sorry. If he shows me evidence then I said he can see me. The problem is this. I had started to move on, I started my own blog and was healing nicely.
I even started dating and was feeling better.
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Then this weekend I had a colleague give me abuse on Facebook over some nasty rumours. And I crumbled. He carried on emailing me and saying he loved me and was so sorry and going against everyones advice he just wanted my love. I loved him so very much.
And at the moment I feel very down. I want him here to hold me and just feel loved again.
It sounds so silly when I type it but in my heart I just want him back. After two months of hard work and therapy and a blog writing about his bad behaviour I actually just want to have him here and look after me. I know I would be setting myself up for heartache all over again. I do have a few friends outside of work but its difficult getting to arrange things to look forward too. I try and try constantly with other people but my life often remains stale. I have tried changing it and still I am stuck in a rut.
He mentioned in his emails he misses this time last year coming home after a long day and we would cuddle and just be warm and happy. In my head I have took him back and actually started thinking I could plan things with him. I just feel this is all too much for me once more.
I need to get out and move on without all this from him. What do I do? I successfully made a month and half of no contact and now I am back feeling like this! Even thu for months now I have been making a very concerted effort to make myself better. If you go back, he will lure you in. Then what? If you try to leave he will do ruining again.
And as for him putting up statuses and sending emails my ex did this.
Mar 11, Suicide And Narcissism By Michael Schreiner | March 11, People who are contemplating suicide have tunnel vision, they're in an incredibly subjective place. They're focused on their own suffering to the exclusion of pretty much everything else, and they see only one possible escape route from their bad situation. Dec 02, thoughts on "When you feel like taking your life (suicide) after dating a sociopath or narcissist" learningtolovemyself says: December 2, at am. This thread might help a bit as well as my answer on it! Do you find that your friends and family really don't understand the pain you feel after ending a relationship with a person with BPD or traits of BPD? Remember Cluster B's are Emotional an.
How he was going to be a good moral man. Do you know what I learned? I went back lots and lots of times more times than I could count the pattern was always the same and the end always came with threats and all of the other drama that you already know about.
What was worse was because I went back it almost helps his story that he is innocent party if he was that bad why did u go back people think. Why not take it day at a time.
Say just not for today? What do you miss about being with him? Read my post take off your rose coloured glasses. I thought of coming up to yours last Friday but knew even if you were in it would be a door slammed in my face. Do take care. I think of this time last year coming to yours after work in Wilmslow and am annoyed this has gone so badly.
I worry about you, and do still care for you. I still about you more and more recently. I think about nights at yours after work cuddled up, the Wartime Weekend and the dances, weekends out and about with you.
I even thought about what I miss just snuggled up beside you. Just trying my best to please you. All I want to see is your face to apologise for who I was in the end. A simple CUNT. I see your car and wish it was you coming to see me so I can say my peace.
I cannot rest until I am able to say the reasons I did what I did. It hurts me you cannot reply to me directly. I thought you would appreciate it. I just want to know you are well. I was at the airport recently and just wanted to see you and hoped for that opportunity to show you who I am. Oh dear they are all the same. So he worries about you? And what is it with them saying I will see you with a handsome man ugh they all say that.
Sounds like he is a fishing for information b seducing. He thinks I have moved onto other people and for someone reason emailed me asking if I had slept with anyone else as the thought was killing him. To him you were with someone else. If you are not talking to him another man is involved as far as he sees. So he is fishing for information from you. He cant see any other reason why you are not contacting him.
No contact burns the sociopath. He is trying to win now says he wont do as I ask etc I just wont play. Do you know my ex he confessed to all the lies. He even told me the tricks he did to get away with them. He confessed to everything.
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He also said he would write emails to people to say he lied. He put up facebook statuses saying he had been a bad person. And now he was changing I was the love of his life. I took him back. Next two months behind my back he did exactly the same but worse. Read the post dupers delight and the joy of conning.
They get off on luring you back. Winning and control is important he hates the thought of you with someone else or that you have moved on without a thought of him. This does affect the sociopath. Exactly why I want to get him to send these messages and get what I want and the decide what to do after is he does and he turns up I may not even open the door. Good or bad. Rather than accept fault, they lay it at the feet of others; blaming everyone from their parents to their partner for their own poor behaviour.
Narcissists are the hothouse flowers of the dating world; beautiful, showy, and always in need of attention. They use tactics like guilt-tripping to keep this attention and stop those they date from having their own hobbies and friends.
For a classic narcissist, emotional vulnerability is akin to weakness, meaning that they suppress it in themselves and make their partners feel needy for not doing the same. It is very hard to please a narcissist. They feel that they deserve perfection, and demand it from their partners, not showing pleasure unless things are done the right way - which, of course, is their way. Why not please yourself instead? And, if that feels good, then why not reject the one who only wants an ego-prop and find a partner who likes your version of you?
If you date a narcissist, you find that they try and shape people to make themselves look better. Moving on from this means becoming aware of how their tactics can push you where you don't want to be and so you become vigilant about setting and sticking to your boundaries.
Narcissists might like the high-status of having a successful partner - but only as long as you keep your hands off their spotlight. Loving a narcissist is hard.
Moving on and rediscovering yourself is even harder. But, in that process you get to find out just how strong you are. She loves books, travelling, and discovering new date ideas. If you've got a dating tip to share, you can follow her on Twitter. Member login.